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Petey
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Of course you all have mocked my Ghandi reference over the years

The real story happens to be that the Indian lawyer with at hunger strike did not change anything

He was a idiot

Franklin Roosevelt twisted Winston Churhill's arm shortly before the US entered WW2 in europe

Telling the cigar-smoking narcicist to rback off on the British empire thingy before the US agreed to save the UK asses from Hitler

Consequently, Churchill lost his election Ghandi was (who just happened to be starving himself at the right time) got credit for the incident and the Indian people were no worse for the wear

Ghandi went on to become a revered figure

Roosevelt was never mentioned

I say Indians owe a great deal to roosevelt

And the British asses were saved from HItler

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Well since they have a temple to rats one holiday to that gimped up socialist demo-rat will fit right in.

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LOL "ghandhi went on to be a reveared figure".

Ghandi was assasinated soon after Independence, thats how they revear their heroes down there.

As for the rest of your trollin horse shit I wouldn't know where to begin.

It was one of the kennedy's that was abassodor to the UK who was briefing roosevelt that Britain woulf sue for peace in 4 weeks, the US intelligence was as clueless then as it has been recently.

Britain declared war on Japan after Pearl harbour, knowing their would be an eastward expansion(which there was)towards British empire territories. Cut a long story short theres no way the US could stay out the war after that.

The powers that be in the UK knew the sun was setting on the Empire and with war with Germany realised fighting in India would drain resources so cut a deal for discussions on Independance after the war. Pearl Harbour effectivley rubber stamped independance as the UK Government not only needed the Indians to behave but also needed their help with the Japs. The Indians also realised that if the British lost the Japs would roll into India so the discussions were very brief and agreeable.

BTW

Puffer did you see the survey that the Majority of Catholics in Northern Ireland want to remain part of the UK? That must really hurt those "Irish"-Americans that support the Democrats who thought a united Ireland would be Inevitable.

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"And the British asses were saved from HItler"

The turning point in Europe was the Battle of El Alemian, No yanks present. The turning point in the Pacific was the Battle of Midway, no Brits present.

Yea you saved our "asses" from hitler like we saved yours from Tojo.

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If the US hadn't entered WW2, Great Britain would be speaking German, goose stepping, saluting a swastika, and red rover buses would be made by Mercedes.

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As a student of military history I have read quite a lot about WW2 and how the United States got into the war.

When the Germans rolled into Poland 9-1-39 the Great Depression here in the US was still going strong. Not as bad as it was when FDR took over in 1933 but bad enough. FDR realized that the sure fire way to get out of the depression and get everyone back to work was to get into the war. It would entail death and suffering but FDR was rather indifferent to all that. So he began working hand in hand with Winston Churchill to get the US into the war. Churchill wanted the US in the war ASAP. He was well aware of the USA's ability to provide manpower and material in abundance. In 1940 the Lend-Lease Act was signed into law by FDR and the move toward war began. FDR authorized the transfer of 50 old WW One era destroyers to the UK in return for the right to build US bases in certain British owned colonies such as Bermuda. The "Destroyer Deal" was seen by the Germans as a violation of neutrality and complained. The transfer of 1,000,000 US Model 1917 "Enfield" rifles and hundreds of millions of cartridges to arm the British Home Guard that same year was another one. The British sent gov't purchasing agents to the US and they started handing out contracts to US arms and ammo makers, ship builders, aircraft makers, and various fuel companies. This went on month after month.

Then the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. Churchill wrote in his memoirs that after receiving news of the attack that he went to bed that night and slept soundly because he knew that with the US in the war there was no way the Allies would lose.

So Churchill and Roosevelt got what they wanted. A winable war and the permanent end of the Depression......

And so it goes.


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quote:
Originally posted by Pennville bill:
If the US hadn't entered WW2, Great Britain would be speaking German, goose stepping, saluting a swastika, and red rover buses would be made by Mercedes.

Bill, we were all on the same side period!!!! Without the help of each other we'd all be speaking a mixture of Japanese and German end of fucking story! Stop beating your chest because every allied nation played a part in defeating the enemy even the Kiwi's. Hell, Germany could not have been beaten without the Russians either. [Roll Eyes]

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quote:
Originally posted by Pennville bill:
If the US hadn't entered WW2, Great Britain would be speaking German, goose stepping, saluting a swastika, and red rover buses would be made by Mercedes.

You should stop watching Speilberg movies and read a few books, you know things you see clever people walking around holding, you will find them at a funny looking building that's called a Library. They are free to join as well.


Bum is close to the truth, re-armament in the UK began to pull the UK out of the Depression in the late 30's, it also had an increasing impact in the US.

Germany and cancelled its invasion plans after the battle of britain, called Operation Sea Lion. Hitler beleived that laying seige to Britain would lead Churchil, or his successor in a coup, to sue for peace.

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yeah. I would have thought a bunch of japs bombing the US base at Pearl Harbour had more to do with the US declaring war on Japan than the UK's involvment in India..
But what would I know.. I obviously didnt go to the same lessons as Looney.
Ozzy, you are spot on.

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It was only natural that once the US declared war on Japan that they then also declared war on the Germans and Italians.......were'nt they all allies therfor declaring war on one was a declaration on all(axis powers)??

No response or debate from our US allies either...where are you'se??

Ozzy
PS; Do any of you know what the ANZUS treaty is/was??

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OZZY,

The USA declared war on the Japanese Empire on Dec 8, 1941.

The Germans and Italians were under no obligation to declare war or go to the aid of Japan under the rules of the treaty between the three Axis nations.

Hitler on his own and without consulting anyone in his Foreign Ministry or the Wehrmacht decided to declare war on the US and did so on Dec 11, 1941. This move by Hitler shocked Von Ribbentrop the Foreign Minister and the generals in the Wehrmacht. But no one dared to say anything to Hitler about it.

Mussolini who by now was Hitler's lapdog followed suit and declared war against the US.

In return the USA declared war against Germany and Italy. So now the stage was set.....

Historians like to speculate what might have happened if Hitler and Mussolini had not declared war on this country. But such speculation is meaningless. There was no way that the UK by itself could have invaded France with a chance of defeating the Germans. And besides, FDR would have done something to really piss off the Germans bigtime.....

And so it goes and so it did.


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I don't normally give the Tard credit but in this case I'm totally on the hoosierbilly side.

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quote:
Originally posted by Retired Bum:
OZZY,

The USA declared war on the Japanese Empire on Dec 8, 1941.

The Germans and Italians were under no obligation to declare war or go to the aid of Japan under the rules of the treaty between the three Axis nations.


Hitler on his own and without consulting anyone in his Foreign Ministry or the Wehrmacht decided to declare war on the US and did so on Dec 11, 1941. This move by Hitler shocked Von Ribbentrop the Foreign Minister and the generals in the Wehrmacht. But no one dared to say anything to Hitler about it.

Mussolini who by now was Hitler's lapdog followed suit and declared war against the US.

In return the USA declared war against Germany and Italy. So now the stage was set.....

Historians like to speculate what might have happened if Hitler and Mussolini had not declared war on this country. But such speculation is meaningless. There was no way that the UK by itself could have invaded France with a chance of defeating the Germans. And besides, FDR would have done something to really piss off the Germans bigtime.....

And so it goes and so it did.


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Bum I'm not disputing anything you say. What i am saying is that none of the allies could have won the war doing it alone, lets not get confused about that fact. What shits me the most is when people rant and rave on about you owe us bla bla bla........
Like i said every allied nation played a part in defeating the axis powers and luckily we all still speak English. All we have to watch out for now is the Islamic world invading our countries by stealth means and legal immigration.

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There may be difference in details but can we have a consensus view that petey is a whiney little libtard faggot who talks shit continiously?

Agree with OZZY in the main, except that if the yanks didn't enter the war most of continental europe would be speaking Russian now, they would of found it hard to get to Dover as well.

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quote:
Originally posted by looney:
There may be difference in details but can we have a consensus view that petey is a whiney little libtard faggot who talks shit continiously?

Look, dicknose, its you who is whining now

You don't like the facts that your tea party member winston churchill made a deal with the devil 70 years ago to save your ass....not my problem

You wanna dance, bring it on

Until then keep your sniveling, whiney, limey ass on the sidelines and support the queen, like all good subjects

Tard can defend himself, that is not my intention here

My point, as usual, is to point out to the whiney bastard population around here that history ocassionally is accurate

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Petey, make your mind up.. was it Winston Churchill and Ghandi or was it the japs bombing Pearl Harbour that got the US into the war?

You're off the fucking reservation.

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So Winston Churchill was in the Tea Party? No doubt giving Sarah Palin a good seeing to on the sly. Petey you are not the most useless fuckwit with internet access but your in the top tier and rising fast.

Maybe a consensus view would stop your obvious trolling you butthurt commie bitch.

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quote:
Originally posted by HDU:
Petey, make your mind up.. was it Winston Churchill and Ghandi or was it the japs bombing Pearl Harbour that got the US into the war?

You're off the fucking reservation.

No it was the reptoids the yanks have hidden in area 51.

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No, actually Winston churchill wanted to keep the emprire goin

He believed in a conservative, british controlled europe and he was rejected by the popular vote shortly after rooselvelt flipped him off

Face it, we Yanks are the only fuckin group on earth that told the british to go fuck themselves, told the queen she can kiss our asses and saved your limey asses from complete anillation by the jewish-hating nazi bastards

a simple thank you would suffice

tha ghandis simply got confused by the hunger strike---bad timing

wtf do they teach as history over there?

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quote:
Originally posted by Petey:
No, actually Winston churchill wanted to keep the emprire goin

He believed in a conservative, british controlled europe and he was rejected by the popular vote shortly after rooselvelt flipped him off

Face it, we Yanks are the only fuckin group on earth that told the british to go fuck themselves, told the queen she can kiss our asses and saved your limey asses from complete anillation by the jewish-hating nazi bastards

a simple thank you would suffice

tha ghandis simply got confused by the hunger strike---bad timing

wtf do they teach as history over there?

I question what history you were taught Petey, If we all really wanted the truth in who did what and what shaped what outcome we'd need a post bigger than the Ruby Ridge post. Its not as simple as we did this and we did that and thats it. Anyway i know you're just trolling for attention and yes you got some now so that should calm and satisfy you for a day or two. Time to resume the correct dosage of your meds until you next want to venture out for another keyboard stoush.

As bum says "it must suck to be you". [Roll Eyes]

I'd love to meet you in person just to see if i've profiled you accurately, my view on you is a little geeky dude covered in skin sores and i imagine you'd have a real stench about you. Oh and fuck off too.

Ozzy

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you being from a penal colony, I agree with your discontent

damn shame the british made you aussies their fuck friends

but since you are british, you too, should be worshipping the queen

we, here in america, simply say go fuck yourself

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quote:
Originally posted by Petey:
you being from a penal colony, I agree with your discontent

damn shame the british made you aussies their fuck friends

but since you are british, you too, should be worshipping the queen

we, here in america, simply say go fuck yourself

The queen is worthy of more respect than Barrack Hussain Obama don't ya think! Nuff said :-)

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Beesides I think petey helped to vote in a "closet queen" here.

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quote:
Originally posted by Petey:
you being from a penal colony, I agree with your discontent

damn shame the british made you aussies their fuck friends

but since you are british, you too, should be worshipping the queen

we, here in america, simply say go fuck yourself

All you libtard queens dont want the competition thats all.

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Petey,
I dont want to bring this up but "New England" mas a penal colony too. I dont get your fascination with it. I feel no shame that Australia was a penal colony.. I would feel shame if I had your obvious lack of smarts though [Wink]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penal_colony

British Empire

The British used North America as a penal colony through a system of indentured servitude. Convicts would be transported by merchants and auctioned off to plantation owners upon arrival in the colonies. It is estimated that some 50,000 British convicts were sent to colonial America, representing perhaps one-quarter of all British emigrants during the 18th century.[1]
When that avenue closed in the 1780s after the American Revolution, Britain began using parts of what is now known as Australia as penal settlements. Some of these included Norfolk Island, Van Diemen's Land (Tasmania) and New South Wales. Advocates of Irish Home Rule or of Trade Unionism (the Tolpuddle Martyrs) often received sentences of deportation to these Australian colonies.[citation needed]. Without the allocation of the available convict labor to farmers, pastoral squatters and Government projects such as roadbuilding, colonisation of Australia would not have been possible, especially considering the considerable drain on non-convict labor caused by several goldrushes that took place in the 19th century.

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