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www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chicago/chi-gunbelt_20jul20,0,156634.story

chicagotribune.com
Gun buff wins round; cop fears 'Old West'

By Jeff Long

Tribune staff reporter

July 20, 2007

With Mother's Day approaching, Shaun Kranish needed a gift, so he strapped on his unloaded semiautomatic 9 mm pistol and left his Rockford home to do some shopping.

During his May 2006 trip to CherryVale Mall in Cherry Valley, Kranish put the 15-round magazine into a separate pouch on the holster, where he could easily reach it if necessary.

Kranish, 21, picked up some tea for his mother, ate pizza at the food court, then noticed two security guards warily following him. Taken into custody, he was charged with aggravated unlawful use of a weapon, a felony.

Earlier this week, a Winnebago County judge dismissed the charge in a ruling that gun advocates hailed as a victory for 2nd Amendment rights in Illinois. Advocates for gun control say the ruling spotlights the need for the legislature to close a legal loophole.

An activist for looser gun control in Illinois, Kranish interprets current state law to mean that he can carry his unloaded weapon in a holster as long as it's completely covered. The law allows unloaded weapons to be transported in containers but doesn't mention holsters.

Though there have been cases over the years where gun owners have been arrested for carrying unloaded weapons in fanny packs or other containers, people on both sides of gun control in Illinois say Kranish's use of a recognizable holster -- while walking through a mall -- is sure to ignite a new round of debate.

"I don't carry a gun as a statement," said the computer technician during an interview in his parents' basement, where he lives. "I carry a gun for protection. I think of a gun like a seat belt."

Cherry Valley Police Chief Gary Maitland disagrees with the judge's ruling.

"This is not the Old West," he said. "I'm not advocating banning handguns. But I'm not aware of any police officer who would advocate more handguns on the street. When they start taking their weapons out of their home and walking around with them strapped to their hip, bad things can happen."

Winnebago County Assistant State's Atty. Erin Haefner said she plans to ask Judge Steven Vecchio to reconsider his ruling. But some say the legislature needs to re-examine the law.

Specifically, it allows the transport of weapons as long as they are "unloaded and enclosed in a case, firearm-carrying box, shipping box or other container by a person who has been issued a currently valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card."

"We need to truly clarify the intent of this state law," said Thom Mannard, executive director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence. "I think the legislature intends for the law to be that people cannot carry weapons on their person, whether loaded or unloaded, and especially not in a public place like a mall."

John Birch headed the now-defunct Concealed Carry Inc. in Illinois and once suggested that people carry unloaded guns in fanny packs to the Taste of Chicago. He applauded Vecchio's ruling.

"This has been the law of the land in Illinois for years, but convincing police and state's attorneys has been an uphill battle," he said.

Kranish said he became interested in guns when he was 18 and operated a 24-hour Internet cafe in Rockford.

"I had to be concerned with not only my own safety but the safety of my customers," he said.

Kranish dropped out of high school, but later earned a General Education Development diploma. He said he enjoys doing research and began examining gun laws in Illinois.

"I couldn't believe they were so strict," he said.

Illinois and Wisconsin are the only states where it is illegal for a private citizen to carry concealed weapons. Many states issue permits for concealed weapons if the owner takes a class and passes a background check.

Alaska and Vermont don't require a permit for carrying a concealed weapon.

Kranish got the FOID card required in Illinois. He said he has spent about 70 hours in handgun-training classes.

The certificates hang on the wall of his office in his parents' basement. He earned the highest level possible in the 40-hour "tactical pistol training" course: expert and combat expert.

He later began iCarry.org and writes on the Web site, "We will forcibly take back our trampled-on rights in Illinois by growing in number and petitioning our state representatives. The right to carry by permit will be the minimum we will accept."

By October 2005, when he was enrolled at Rock Valley College, Kranish had started wearing his holster without the handgun because the college handbook says firearms are prohibited.

He went to speak to campus security about the no-gun policy, wearing a jacket with the iCarry logo and the holster. Police confiscated the holster and charged him with disorderly conduct, according to Kranish and his lawyer, Walter Maksym of Chicago.

The charge eventually was dismissed, according to court records. Maksym said a federal lawsuit against the college, which Kranish no longer attends, is pending.

Kranish resents police questioning what's in his holster, which he modified so that no portion of his handgun protrudes. He declined to say during an interview how many other weapons he owns, calling it personal business.

"They really don't want anyone to own or carry a gun at all," Kranish said of police. "And secondly, they really would like for people to depend on the government for defense. They want a monopoly on force."


Opposing viewpoints of concealed-weapons issue

*Shaun Kranish, who runs a pro-gun Web site and is an activist for looser gun control in Illinois: "I don't carry a gun as a statement. I carry a gun for protection. I think of a gun like a seat belt."

*Gary Maitland, Cherry Valley police chief: "This is not the Old West. I'm not advocating banning handguns. But I'm not aware of any police officer who would advocate more handguns on the street."


jjlong@tribune.com

Copyright © 2007, Chicago Tribune

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You know given the fact SCOTUS said the police are under no mandate or obligation to protect the public at large we should and do have a right to defend our lives by the means the Second Amendment and God granted us.

Firearms are the "Pandora's box" of modern times.
Once released into the world it can not be reversed.
By that I mean criminals will always have guns, by the very definition of the word criminal they do not obey our laws.

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Cherry Valley Police Chief Gary Maitland disagrees with the judge's ruling.

"This is not the Old West," he said. "I'm not advocating banning handguns. But I'm not aware of any police officer who would advocate more handguns on the street. When they start taking their weapons out of their home and walking around with them strapped to their hip, bad things can happen."

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Interesting legal twist; I'd love to see about 2-3,000 people walking down Main Street in downtown Chi-town, openly carrying, and the powers that be couldn't do SQUAT about it, or if they did, having 1,000's of FEDERAL lawsuits to deal with. Serve the assholes right. Bankrupt local governments at their own game (suing somebody or something out of existence with enormous legal fees).

Some cops, like the aforementioned C.O.P., have this "something bad is gonna happen" mentality. Same B.S. all the gun-control pols spewed when the Concealed-Carry laws were being passed in droves all over the U.S. There WASN'T any "blood baths in the streets" that they predicted; after a few of the more violent perps got toe-tagged, violent crime in almost every state with a Shall-Issue law dropped dramatically, and property crime went up. DOJ statistics have born this out over a lot of 10-15 year studies.

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Keep in mind folks that MOST Police Chief's ceased being "Cops" a LONG time before they became chief....part of the promotional process includes removing 2 testes, and MOST of the common sense glands.
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Local, State and Federal Governments are scared to death of the "People". That is the reason they work hand in hand with the Propagandist in the National News Media. Can't let the citizens know the "whole truth" or they'd be up shit creek. And the Sheeple go, "BBBBAAAAAaaaaahhhhaaa".

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Actually, from the liberal-gun-owing perspective...

The 2nd amendment does not guarantee us the right of actually shooting someone.

Those who have actually shot someone would be able to explain the legal machinations which come into play in these situations.

If a life is at stake..is generally considered a good reason but under today's microscope, you pull a gun anywhere...you better be prepared to defend your actions in perpetuity.

My personal scenario is stumbling upon someone assaulting my family...which is followed by me fatally wounding the perp...after tortuing him with a few strategicially placed shots...groin...elbow..kneecaps...finaly maybe a stomach wound

And then spending the rest of my life in prison

Its a choice each of us makes

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