Hard Core Talk Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply
my profile | directory login | register | search | faq | forum home

  next oldest topic   next newest topic
» Hard Core Talk » General » FREE SPEECH BOARD » BooHoo....

 - UBBFriend: Email this page to someone!    
Author Topic: BooHoo....
KKK
Booted the fuck out a here!
Member # 377

Icon 5 posted      Profile for KKK         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Minister Louis Farrakhan, ailing and in seclusion at his Michigan home, has ceded leadership of the Nation of Islam to an executive board while he recovers, saying the movement must prove that it "is more than the charisma, eloquence and personality" of one person.

But those who have watched the Nation evolve over decades believe that the organization - known as much for the dark suits and bow ties of its followers as for its doctrine of black supremacy - will falter without a dynamic figure like the minister in charge.

"When Farrakhan dies, my prediction is the movement will split," said Lawrence Mamiya, a Vassar College professor and an expert on African-American religion. "I don't think this movement can be governed by a board. It runs off the charismatic energy of one person."

The 73-year-old Farrakhan wrote in a Sept. 11 letter to followers that he was anemic and 20 pounds lighter because of complications from an ulcer in the anal area. He had surgery in 2000 for prostate cancer.
"In this period of testing, you can prove to the world that the Nation of Islam is more than the charisma, eloquence and personality of Louis Farrakhan," he wrote. "You can prove that the Nation of Islam ... is more than the physical presence of any individual, and that it will live long after I and we have gone."

Conrad Worrill, of the Inner Cities Studies program at Northeastern Illinois University, traveled with Farrakhan to Cuba, where he was initially diagnosed this year. "It's serious, he needs to recover, but he's not on his deathbed," he said.

The Rev. Jesse Jackson, who spoke with Farrakhan by phone Sept. 24, said the minister had given up oversight "because he wants to devote his time exclusively to physical restitution."

Still, it's clear from Farrakhan's letter that he is concerned about who will succeed him.
He has firsthand experience with a messy transition at the top. He had to rebuild the Nation in the late 1970s, after W.D. Mohammed, the son of the late Nation leader Elijah Muhammad, broke away and moved his followers toward mainstream Islam.

While the Nation has obviously survived, no one can say how successful the revival has been.

A longtime target of federal surveillance, the movement is highly secretive and suspicious of outsiders. At Mosque Maryam in Chicago, the Nation's headquarters, security guards stand watch behind brass-plated doors.

Even researchers who follow the group closely do not know for sure how many members or mosques it has, how much money it takes in or whether it is shrinking or growing.

Yet Farrakhan's popularity among many blacks is clear. The hundreds of thousands of black men he drew to the 1995 Million Man March in Washington are only one example. He is popular with hip-hop artists, who praise the Nation in their music, and a trusted mediator in gang conflict. This support is baffling to many outsiders, who remember Farrakhan only for his most provocative comments, including calling Judaism a "gutter religion" and saying Hitler was "wickedly great."

"The Nation of Islam has always been a symbolically important organization as a cultural symbol of defiance against the American state," said Melissa Harris-Lacewell, professor of politics and African-American studies at Princeton University. "At the Million Man March, most of those people were not members of the Nation of Islam. They were supporters of Farrakhan and his brand of critique of American politics."

Farrakhan has haltingly tried to move the Nation toward traditional Islam, which considers the American movement heretical because of its view of Elijah Muhammad as a prophet - among other novel teachings. Orthodox Islam teaches that there has been no prophet after Muhammad in the seventh century.

He's also played down some of the group's more controversial beliefs. The Nation of Islam teaches that whites are descended from the devil and that blacks are the chosen people of Allah. Mamiya said leaders no longer preach that message, although it is still taught in some mosques.

For many blacks, the Nation is known mainly for its local businesses and for social service programs, including health projects such as HIV/AIDS awareness and prostate cancer screening, and an extensive prison ministry. Members of the Nation, whose militia is called the Fruit of Islam, also provide security for housing projects, with some forming independent security firms. Michael Jackson used Nation bodyguards during his prosecution on child molestation charges.

Most of the Nation's income comes from member donations and sales of the movement newspaper the Final Call, although its circulation is not known, Mamiya said.

Membership is concentrated in Midwestern and Northeastern cities including Detroit, where the group has its roots, and Chicago, where Farrakhan keeps a home in the Kenwood neighborhood. The house is a well-known landmark, with its yellow stone exterior, round-the-clock guards and Muslim crescents in the stained-glass windows.

But the Nation has also been trying to expand overseas, with mosques in the Caribbean, in the West African nation of Ghana, and in England and France, Mamiya said.

Analysts agree, however, that the movement continues to see its greatest growth in American prisons. Many members are offenders, ex-offenders or relatives of convicts. Upon release, ex-inmates who want to stay in the Nation may have to undergo boot camp training, including military marching, push-ups and running laps, as a way to instill discipline, Mamiya said.

"In the criminal justice system, African-Americans are overrepresented and this tends to breed a lot of resentment," said Jimmy Jones, a religion professor at Manhattanville College who has worked as a Muslim jail chaplain for 25 years. "An ideology that is essentially a raced-based ideology is very popular in that context."

Mamiya said two men could possibly succeed Farrakhan: Ishmael Muhammad, a son of Elijah Muhammad, who is assistant minister at Mosque Maryam; or Akbar Muhammad, a long-shot candidate who is based in Ghana and "is a kind of right-hand person to Farrakhan."

Ishmael Muhammad did not respond to a message left at the mosque.

To many, the movement may seem like an anachronism - more suited to a time when segregation was the law and any opportunities blacks had they had to create for themselves. But observers say the Nation will have an appeal as long as racism and poverty plague the community.

"As long as there's problems," said Ridgely Abdul Mu'min, who runs the Nation's Muhammad Farms in Georgia, "nothing's going to change."

---

On the Net:

Nation of Islam: http://www.noi.org/

Posts: 2196 | From: Newburg, Ar,Lizard | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged
James Southerland
Member
Member # 1961

Icon 1 posted      Profile for James Southerland     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Went to a cuban 'doctor' for a diagnosis?

He deserves what ever it is that he gets.

--------------------
"When a nation makes too great a distinction between its scholars and its warriors it winds up having its thinking done by cowards and its fighting done by fools." Thucydides

Posts: 3080 | From: Exit 196 | Registered: Nov 2001  |  IP: Logged
Friend
Member
Member # 3311

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Friend     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Maybe a porch monkey voodoo doctor from Haiti could help.
Posts: 325 | From: Where you least expect | Registered: Apr 2006  |  IP: Logged
TODD 3465
Member
Member # 3182

Icon 1 posted      Profile for TODD 3465     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
So after he croaks they'll be some Dukfukr Muyhomo to take Farikoon's place.

--------------------
In 1967, Polish mercenary Rafal Ganowicz was asked what it felt like to take a human life. He replied- "I wouldn't know I've only killed communists."

Posts: 2565 | From: Washington Co., Arkansas | Registered: May 2004  |  IP: Logged
PATRIOT48071
Member
Member # 499

Icon 1 posted      Profile for PATRIOT48071     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
blak people like this ass hole can say what ever they want and no one calls them on it. if he was a white man the blacks would go crazy! white people as a hole have lost there balls i just hope we wake up befor its to late. becouse its our kids that will pay the price for our lack of nerve!
Posts: 1628 | From: detroit michigan. | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged
KKK
Booted the fuck out a here!
Member # 377

Icon 1 posted      Profile for KKK         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Laugh it up boys and girls, even money says he'll get to lay around in the Capitol building after he kicks like the last nigger did.
Posts: 2196 | From: Newburg, Ar,Lizard | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged
PATRIOT48071
Member
Member # 499

Icon 1 posted      Profile for PATRIOT48071     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
miss parks lived in the slums here in detroit her people did not give a shit about her then one of the brothers broke in her house and just about beat her to death robed her ect. then later on she dies and is turned into this god. and her dead body is used for a poto shoot for every mr jackson want to be.
Posts: 1628 | From: detroit michigan. | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged
KKK
Booted the fuck out a here!
Member # 377

Icon 1 posted      Profile for KKK         Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Patriot, you are way smarter than most of the people on this board. I felt bad for Miss Parks because she was used as the "token" (depending how you look at it) nigger and she was used by her own people.

[ October 03, 2006, 10:17 PM: Message edited by: KKK ]

Posts: 2196 | From: Newburg, Ar,Lizard | Registered: Apr 2001  |  IP: Logged
Pennville bill
Curmudgeon-at-Large
Member # 1090

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Pennville bill   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
Farrakhan, Jackson and Sharpton are the three biggest race pimps in America.

--------------------
Regards,
Bill
_ _______________________________ _
I could eat a can of alphabet soup and shit a better argument than that.

Posts: 5508 | From: East central Indiana | Registered: May 2001  |  IP: Logged
Cannon
Member
Member # 3278

Icon 1 posted      Profile for Cannon     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post   Reply With Quote 
quote:
Farrakhan, Jackson and Sharpton are the three biggest race pimps in America.
Amen to that PB!

--------------------
The beatings will continue, until moral improves.

Posts: 265 | From: Lower 48 | Registered: Jan 2006  |  IP: Logged
   

Quick Reply
Message:

HTML is not enabled.
UBB Code™ is enabled.

Instant Graemlins
   


Post New Topic  New Poll  Post A Reply Close Topic   Feature Topic   Move Topic   Delete Topic next oldest topic   next newest topic
 - Printer-friendly view of this topic
Hop To:


Contact Us | WWW.HardCoreTalk.com

All contributions become the property of HardCoreTalk.com The Opinions, Views and Comments expressed by the members of this forum and website are their own and do not necessarily state or reflect those of HardCoreTalk.com or any of it's agents. HardCoreTalk.com does not guarantee the accuracy, integrity or quality of these messages and opinions, and does not perform an independent investigation to verify their truth or accuracy. All posted messages are the sole responsibility of the person from which such post originated. HardCoreTalk.com assumes no liability in any way for the content of any posted message or opinion, including, but not limited to, any errors or omissions in any posted message FAIR USE NOTICE This board contains copyrighted material, which is reproduced under the Fair Use Provision of Title 17, U.S.C. Section 107, and is posted for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, or research. This material is posted without profit for the benefit of those who, by accessing this site, are expressing a prior interest in this information for research and educational purposes. This discussion board is strictly operated as a non profit venture and is for the express purpose of educating and informing our members and visitors.

Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3