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saltplainsgunman
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Whats wrong with it? Will it work? Why? Will it not work? Why not?

One thing I thing we will probably need to hash out, is whatever differences or simularities between gun control legislation and breed specific legislation.

Will you obey new laws telling you to get rid of your best friend, the rottweiler?

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There are leash laws in place in nearly every municipality in this country. These laws need to be re-enforced and abided by. There are dangerous dog laws in nearly every state in this country that should be abided by and re-enforced. And there are a large population of responsible dog owners who fight daily for our rights and YOURS to own the breed of our choice. We as a group much like you and your fellow gun fanciers..... you know exactly where I'm going with this.

We promote responsible dog ownership, like you promote responsible gun ownership. Education is the key. Just ask NRA. They have been fighting for our rights for years just as us dog owners have been fighting for years. Don't we have enough governmental control in our lives now? It's getting better without the libs in power, but IF they take power once again...I do believe WE will be on the same page! Like it or not. Do you not agree Gunman?

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So, if existing laws are enforced, leash laws, dangerous dog laws, then there is no need for more laws? Sounds good.

I agree about the libs and government controls.

How about dangerous dog licensing?Then some shitheads wouldn't be so apt to be irresponsible and let their rottweilers get out and go hunting.It would also make sure the owners/breeders knew what they were doing, since there could be mandatory classes to obtain a license to own dangerous dogs.

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Dude, I understand, better then most, you had a bad experience with a irresponsible rottweiler owner, for that I am sad. Can I ask you, in all seriousness, how many people have had a bad experience's with a bad gun owner's? I'm not trying to break your balls, if your an irresposible dog owner, you should be charged as so, along with being a bad parent or member of society. People get shot every single day by irresponsible gun owner's does that mean we need to ban guns? Becareful what you wish for!
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Roscoe you are comparing apples to oranges regarding guns and dogs.

A gun, in and of itself, will never attack/kill anything. A human hand must pick up that weapon in order for injury/death to occur.

A dog, away from constraints or its owner, can and has attacked/killed all manners of living things.

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quote:
Originally posted by Roscoe:
Dude, I understand, better then most, you had a bad experience with a irresponsible rottweiler owner, for that I am sad. Can I ask you, in all seriousness, how many people have had a bad experience's with a bad gun owner's? I'm not trying to break your balls, if your an irresposible dog owner, you should be charged as so, along with being a bad parent or member of society. People get shot every single day by irresponsible gun owner's does that mean we need to ban guns? Becareful what you wish for!

As hawk just said the analogy you are making is skewed.
The proper analogy is to ban criminals which we already do by way of the laws we make.
The laws we make in essence ban criminal behavior and crimes committed by criminals.
They don't work do they?

And as said a gun is an inanimate object incapable of doing any harm on it's own.

A dog how ever is in itself dangerous if it wants to be.

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quote:
Originally posted by Roscoe:
People get shot every single day by irresponsible gun owner's does that mean we need to ban guns? Becareful what you wish for!

I DON'T WANT TO BAN DOGS.I want to stop worrying about these rotts.

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Humans also create dogs. It's those who don't breed responsibly and sell to just anyone. Meaning, BYB (backyard breeders) and puppy mills. They don't breed for temperament. They sell to anyone. Those who buy them are taking a great risk for the dog may not be hardwired correctly, or they don't socialize them, train them. They get them for all the wrong reasons. That is what creates this monster. Yes dogs bite, EVERY dog bites, but the rottweiler is a powerful dog which in turn can do severe damage or worse. So apple to oranges. I think not. Once again, that dreaded but truthful word lurks at us all....irresponsible. People kill people. Dogs kill people. But people created that dog. We need to educate people that banning guns isn't going to stop killings and banning breeds isn't going to stop attacks. The human when they start messing with nature, will just create another powerful dog to take its place. Enforce the laws we have now to its fullest and you would see these attacks drop. Make the people be accountable for their actions (or lack of).

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A Lawsuit, Lawyers, Sherrif's Deputies, lost wages due to court: $5000.00+

A box of Remington Core-Lokt 150-Grain Soft Points: $12.00.

That look on the dog owner's face when he has to scrape his errant killer off the street: priceless.

Do the Math. [Big Grin]

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A box of Remington Core-Lokt 150-Grain Soft Points: $12.00.

It would take you that many bullets to put down a dog(s)? You better join me at the range for some practice.

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I think the thing that is most scary about BSL to me is, we are responsible dog owners, our dogs are liscened, confined when we are not home to crates in our home, and under our supervision in our fenced yard when we are. When we walk them they are leashed and under our control. We have had numerous loose dogs run out and go after ours when we are obeying the leash laws.
We particpate in AKC obedience and conformation with our dogs, we have CGG's on our dogs and they have NEVER caused an issue with neighbors, by running loose, barking, attacking other dogs, biting someone whatever.
So, then you have those jerks who buy a dog to make themselves feel macho or just to decorate the yard, the reasons are endless. Their dogs run amok, attack other dogs, kids the mail man, whatever. Should they lose their dog? ABSOLULTELY! Should we be painted with the same brush and not be allowed to own the breed we choose, HECK NO!
And if BSL gets passed in our area that is what would happen and that is not fair, blame the DEED not the BREED may sound trite but it is so true. Toughen the laws on the reckless owners, not those of us who have these dogs and are obeying the law and raising good ambassadors of the breed.
Does BSL work? NOPE, not even close. The irresposible would just move on to another breed and another and another till all dogs are banned.

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DocZeus
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quote:
Originally posted by JoJo:
A box of Remington Core-Lokt 150-Grain Soft Points: $12.00.

It would take you that many bullets to put down a dog(s)? You better join me at the range for some practice.

JoJo

That's 20 dogs worth. 40 if they stand next to each other, broadside. [Big Grin]

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DocZeus,

Ya know what Remington used to advertise the CoreLokt bullet as?

The "Deadliest Mushroom in the Forest".

When I was stationed in Germany back in the 1960's, an Army officer on a guided hunt for wild boar and armed with a .270 Winchester and 150 grain CoreLokt ammo shot a male wild boar and dropped it almost in it tracks. As he and the jagermeister (hunting master) approached the animal, they were astonished to learn that there was two dead boar lying side by side. The CoreLokt had completely penetrated the male boar and killed its female mate as well. Now that is penetration....


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DocZeus
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Bum,

They still print that on the back of their boxes. I just bought 400 rounds of 150-grain .30-30, and 800 rounds of 150-grain .30-'06 Core-Lokt last month, for stock; the local Wally World had 'em on sale for $8.87, and $11.87 a box, respectively.

And it's true, they are The Deadliest Mushroom In The Woods. I've hammered pretty good sized bucks with that round.

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quote:
Originally posted by Roscoe:
Dude, I understand, better then most, you had a bad experience with a irresponsible rottweiler owner, for that I am sad. Can I ask you, in all seriousness, how many people have had a bad experience's with a bad gun owner's? I'm not trying to break your balls, if your an irresposible dog owner, you should be charged as so, along with being a bad parent or member of society. People get shot every single day by irresponsible gun owner's does that mean we need to ban guns? Becareful what you wish for!

We have guns and we have dogs. My dog has in the past jumped the stinking fence, We have yet to have a gun leave the gun chest. I think a dog can always be "loaded" but the guns have yet to load themselves.

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