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EdHubel
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Haven't been here in a while..My hobby
of wildcat cartridges has helped produce
what we call the 12GA From Hell. It's a long brass
case we made by putting rim on BMG brass
to match 12 ga size. My gun a Savage 210 bolt action shotgun with heavier barrel and stock,
got a 730 gr slug up to 2700 fps.And a
3/4 oz sabot out at 3900.And gun can still fire regular shorter shotshells.Here is picture of the gun.Ed

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Does the recoil build character?
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Yes it does, along with the blast.No
bruizes yet, as gun is heavy and
has a big recoil pad.Ed.

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Where is Blain when you need him?
730gn at 2700 is very serious. What weight is the gun? I know of some custome big bores shooting 700gn's at 2400 fps and they reackon it's almost unbearable.

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The gun is 25 lbs, built that way to
keep it comfy for load testing.I helped
Rob and Fritz over on AR to invent the
cartridge.Their guns are Borchardt falling
block actions, weighing 4 lbs more. Rob
got 750 grain bullet out at 3000 fps.. His gun can go to higher pressures.Ed.

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Here is pic of our cases next to regular
12ga plastic case--And 2nd pic shows 3 different bullets in cases and a bmg case with rim turned
off and threaded for the 12ga size rims shown..Ed

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Dang!

What's it do to feral hogs?

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Jingwa-It will do them in.Here is pic of Rob's
African style 12GA FH.Ed

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shit, does that come with the optional ICBM barrel? seriosly though that sounds like one hell of a round, i know that the Isralie snipers are useing 12 ga bolt actions for Urban siping ops, this thing would turn your run of the mill terroist in to a big red splat. DAMN!

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Here is picture of a heavy double with
alloy barrels, like rifles have, that we
are checkingto see if they will work
forour case.Ed.

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In our testing we find that cases don't
wear out at pressures used in my gun,
25-30,000 psi. Here is picture of case fired
36 times, sectioned; and it shows no thinning.
Or none to be measured. Case good for couple
hundred firings.Ed.

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Shot a 610 grain hollowpoint Dixie hard
slug into 6 gallon sealed pail of water.
Going 2800 fps, and real big hollowpoint.
First pic is pail with crimped on top.
Pail full and has filler spout capped.
Second pic,impact with water atomising,
and pail blowing apart.In the next small
fraction of a second is third after impact
with shelf cleared, the hyrostatic pressure
down, has bent top of steel frame shelf.
Same blast put jug pieces all over.
Got to get a 15 gallon one. Behind
you see my wood bundle backstop...Ed

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Awesome.

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daaaaaaayyyyum.

Too bad dinosaurs are extinct... and blue whales dont have legs!

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So is this gonna be an offered set up? Or if not can we get an idea of what to do if we want to build our own one?

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Quite the Lead Lobber there, Ed!

Impressive! [Big Grin]

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Read our thread over on AR big bore forum
and you get all info on what to do.
I picked up a 12ga NEF Ultra Slug gun.
24 inch shorty barrel.
Added weight and thumbhole stock.
Gun weighted to 15 lbs so
far. I got 600gr hard slug to
1650-1700 so far, and shoots easy.
Got 1 1/2 inch thick pad.Working up different
loads.Should get over 2000.
Cases eject easy,no resizing needed
on bottom half of case,action opens easy,
no evidence of binding.Started case 3.2 inch,
settled on case length of 3.15-- Chamber being
full size max 12ga size expands top half of case
more than my minimum chamber in Savage does,
so little more effort needed to size.Our case, though many times stronger than regular
12ga cases is thinner at mouth, so that is
why I used tight chamber on Savage.Still
can't get used to mickey mouse short barrel.
Anyone know of a genius who could
make long alloy barrel with pivot mounted?
Cases can be 3 inches on up to
our length, and work.Ed

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We got 600 gr slug to 2000 fps in NEF.Used ball
powder load. Case length of maximum 3.07 works.
Can use our case shorter, but load developement harder.
Anyone using our style case should also put in adapter
for shotgun primer. Save a lot of work
beefing up hammer speed and strength.Ed

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quote:
Originally posted by EdHubel:
Haven't been here in a while..My hobby
of wildcat cartridges has helped produce
what we call the 12GA From Hell. It's a long brass
case we made by putting rim on BMG brass
to match 12 ga size. My gun a Savage 210 bolt action shotgun with heavier barrel and stock,
got a 730 gr slug up to 2700 fps.And a
3/4 oz sabot out at 3900.And gun can still fire regular shorter shotshells.Here is picture of the gun.Ed

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G'day Ed,
After hinting at you adopting me on one of the Australian forums and not having seen your application yet [Wink] I was asking around and found a potential doner bolt action shotgun to build a similar toy on.... I'm waiting for some more funds at the moment before I can do anything but if I can do it, it should get a good work out on our buffalo here next year.

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Anyone wanting to get into 12ga bigbore NEF shooting;
Nef 12ga Ultra slug gun at gunshop $225.Add weight to
butt and forearm. Get a thicker pad.
Get a box of 10 brass cases from Rocky Mtn Cartridge
for 60 bucks. These cases use shotgun primers, have thick
base like our case, have thick sides to fit chambers
right, No chamber work needed, use as is.
As you fire these cases they work harden, and can go faster.
600gr at 1750 fps possible,aat first.. that's 4000 ft lbs.Ed

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Testing Savage with long case-Got 2550 with
320gr WC-855H special ball.730 gr slug.
Same slug,
300gr of RL-25 got 2400. 300 gr of RL-22
got 2800. 280 gr of W-760 ball got 2900.
Will hold more 760, but pressures around 40k on last
two loads mentioned.Savage extracts easy,
bellers like a tank gun.Ed

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We are having a group buy of 1000 gr soft jacketed
bullets for 12ga from Hawk. $2.10 each.Contact
me for details.Need order of 1000 total for them to make dies and start.Got commitment for 400
already.Let me know if interested.We are getting
a 1887 12ga lever gun to test our cases in.Ed.

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Hey Ed....How much would you charge me to build a hog killer like you have? I honestly might be tempted to sell off my 1st born curtain climber for a sweet shooter like that!

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Hawk45- I only build for myself.Am not a licensed smith. OR manufacturer.
I can tell others and/or a smith how to
do it.And where to find the stuff to
do it.

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